Fitzgerald–221 and 222–Bob, Bob, Bobin’ Along

Heather

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  1. Tammy says:

    I always thought the term flapper referred to the dresses that they wore with the multiple levels and layers of very long fringe that would flap up and down wildly when the danced. Also, while these girls may not have been wearing corsets anymore (which are actually making a come back, go figure) they weren’t “free”, because flat chestedness and boyish figures became fashionable. They would actually bind their bosoms and wear boned under garments to flatten their bottoms. Seems worse than a corset, IMO.

    And Margorie! Ugh! What a spoiled, mean, petulant piece of human ickiness. If we could select for personality genetically I would vote to have her deleted from the gene pool. As it is, listening to her makes me want to go out and cut a willow switch and wear her out with it.

  2. Brenda says:

    Thank you so much for taking the time to do ‘Bernice’ for us, Heather! I knew you would give us some great backround information and make it even better than it already is. Really looking forward to ‘Dracula’ also, I’ve never read it-so again, I’ll learn some new stuff! Thanks a bunch!

  3. Stephanie "BioBetty" says:

    Just a bit more on Held…http://www.animationarchive.org/?cat=183

  4. Heather says:

    tee hee.
    I still like my definition, but the slang makes a lot of sense. And OH MAH GAW!!! I ALWAYS conflate Evelyn Waugh and Edith Wharton! Thank you for catching me! I’m totally reading these on 222.

  5. KnittyLynn says:

    Hi Heather,

    Just had to let you know that Evelyn Waugh didn’t write The Age of Innocence but Edith Wharton did. 🙂 Evelyn wrote Brideshead Revisited and he’s a he..while Edith wrote Innocence and is a she. 😉

    I know you know this, but it’s just not what you said in the podcast. Innocence is one of my favorite books, so want those who are curious to read it to have the right author. 🙂

    Thanks!

  6. Stephanie "BioBetty" says:

    According to Jennifer Rosenberg of About.com ( and I have also read this somewhere)…Authors such F. Scott Fitzgerald and artists such as John Held Jr. first used the term to the U.S., half reflecting and half creating the image and style of the flapper. Fitzgerald described the ideal flapper as “lovely, expensive, and about nineteen.”4 Held accentuated the flapper image by drawing young girls wearing unbuckled galoshes that would make a “flapping” noise when walking.

  7. Sorcha says:

    Flappers – good thing I didnt have a drink on me eh?

    I’ve never thought much about this, but have always associated flappers – rightly or wrongly – with the way they danced (the Charleston in particular, though I may have compressed about 15 years of social history together here. Tomorrow I will be grouping Punks and New Romantics together!).

    Without the restrictive corsets and dresses, the dancers are able to “flap” their arms and legs around…….I suppose that ties in with Renee’s post about them flapping around like little birds.

    No basis in any research on my part beyond what bounces round my head.

  8. Renee says:

    Hi Heather, I’m listening to your intro, and decided to look up flapper on Wikipedia. Among the info listed was a summary of the possible derivations for the word, which go back to previous centuries and therefore have nothing to do with an absence of corsets:

    “The slang word flapper, describing a young woman, is sometimes supposed to refer to a young bird flapping its wings while learning to fly. However, it may derive from an earlier use in northern England to mean teenage girl, referring to one whose hair is not yet put up and whose plaited pigtail flapped on her back; or from an older word meaning prostitute.[3] The slang word flap was used for a young prostitute as far back as 1631. By the late 19th century the word flapper was emerging in England as popular slang both for a very young prostitute and in a more general–and less derogatory sense–of any lively mid-teenage girl.”

    Hope this helps, and you’re surviving the storm tonight.