346—Yes. Now.
We are reading Elizabeth Gaskell’s North and South, chapters 23-24, with many thanks to our reader, Barbara Edleman. Book talk begins at 13:54 minutes.
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Hi Heather. I’ve just got this far in my catch-up, and one thing I don’t think has been addressed so far is Margaret’s naĂŻvetĂ©. It’s her second proposal, and she *still* hasn’t got around to the idea that *any* man might be interested in her as a marriage partner, rather than just as a friend. I don’t remember the name of Edith’s brother-in-law (?), but Margaret similarly thought he was basically mocking her and wished he wouldn’t. It reminds me of myself at 12, when boys in my year at school started asking me out and I was convinced they were precisely making fun of me, and rejected them all starkly. (It didn’t help that some of them *had* been bullying me in primary school the year before.) I was never approached again by anyone in my secondary school (no great loss), and was still getting used to the idea (because it had been almost entirely on hold) in my first year at university. So perhaps I’m reading myself far too much into Margaret, but I do think that for whatever reason, Margaret doesn’t see herself as marriage material, and therefore can’t respond other than defensively (haughtily) to either of the men who approach her, because she doesn’t know how to deal with them otherwise. Her actual feelings about them as men are kind of irrelevant, except as part of her self-rationalisations.
On the topic of the odd pain in Thing 2’s back. I was a respiratory therapist and now an Anatomy and Physiology Instructor BUT NOT a doctor. That was the obligatory disclaimer required by my husband.
Does he have asthma? I frequently have pain between the ribs in odd places associated with mine. The coughing associated with asthma may be the culprit. Small people can maintain subclinical illness for a very long time. Perhaps a bronchitis or pleurisy before the onset? I’m suspecting breathing related because of the relief while in a posture that stretches the rib cage.
As far as muscles, there are so many small muscles which wrap around the vertebral column which he could have easily pulled, resulting in scar tissue. Small people are capable of interesting behaviors as you probably know more than me. I think some deep tissue work on your part might help. But again, not really qualified to say.
Hope he gets better! When in doubt, get him checked.
Oooh!
Everyone ELSE has asthma but he hadn’t been checked–yet.
But he HAS been coughing!!!
Thank you for the lead!
Re–your cedar chest
I have done a fair amount of Museum work, sharpies were acceptable to write on specimens in the field but anything permanent was done with micron pens or rapidograph pens.
Sharpies say they are permanent but really they are not. Sharpies are not archival ink. The ink is not indelible. They are NOT light fast. The ink can be removed with rubbing alcohol rather easily, even from clothes and other porous material. Micron Pens are better choice if you don’t want your art to fade. Micron pens and others of the same ilk, are archival inks. They are light fast and permanent.
Make sure you read what ever pen you use and you want to make sure you see lightfast, indelible and/or archival ink.
Sally
Now everyone can see why I ask questions of CraftLit folk—because you all have SO MUCH cool and useful information in your heads! Thank you so much, Sally-of-the-really-cool-email-address!
I will practice non-shakiness with my Microns before attacking the panel (and I also found out that our Cedar Chest was built JUST after they improved the lock. Evidently some kids in VA were killed not too long ago in a chest similar to ours when they got trapped inside!) I’m also glad my chest is full of clothes and wedding things… no room for small children!
After catching up with the podcast and watching the second part of the mini-series, I have to agree with you, Heather.
The last scene between Mr. Thornton and Margaret is so much better in the book than the movie because we have Margaret’s internal monologue. Man, I felt so much more sorry for Thornton after listening to this section of the chapter.
In Pride and Prejudice, Mr. Darcy kind of deserves to get his initial proposal shot down by Elizabeth. He was so arrogant and so sure that she would be crazy not to jump at the chance to marry him, despite all the insults he threw in there about her family and their differences in class.
In North and South, Mr. Thornton goes into their meeting suspecting that Margaret can’t stand him and still told her he loved her. Man, my heart was breaking for him and I could have knocked Margaret upside the head for being so self-righteous about shooting him down.
I’m just glad that she seemed to wise up to the fact that she may have judged him wrong just as Elizabeth did in P & P.
Yup yup yup… and this week you’ll learn of/see even mmmoooooorrrrreeeee!
I know what you mean, too, about Thornton heading into that meeting with her on SUCH shaky ground! The cojones on that man! WOOF!
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Hi Heather.
I’m an American who moved to England when I was 20 and lived there for 13 years. I lived in the town of Brighton, 60 miles South of London, on the South Coast. When I first got there and heard English people talking about wanting to get pebbles from the bech in Brighton to put in their gardens I was surprised…to me, the rocks that make up the beach at Brighton were not pebbles, but rocks, the size of my fist. So in response to your query about Margaret being hit in the head by a pebble…I think the British understanding of pebble is perhaps broader than the Ameican one and encompasses larger sized stones.
WOW!
If that isn’t a lesson in the importance of understanding denotation and connotation, I don’t know what is. That is FASCINATING! Thank you so much for posting! Can I read this on this next episode?
Sure